DeleD Community Edition

Jeroen · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject:

I've tried various types of Basic, a few C/C++ compilers, heck, even assembler but always came back to good ol' pascal and Delphi. The thing with C++ is that I (and I'm speaking for myself now) have to spend more time on getting that darn syntax right than on developing actual functionality. Confused

Nope, no C/C++ for me, ever. Delphi, anyone? Very Happy

Actually, it would be cool if you'd use Delphi. You'd get instant support on these forums if you have questions. On the other hand, DeleD would suffer because we're spending all our time answering Delphi questions here.... Rolling Eyes

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK

I think I'll stick to C++ in that case Khris would kill me if I made you slower Very Happy

. On a less serious note I used to be quite fluent in C++ (real simple stuff I'll admit but hey I was like 13 or 14) and I've found an OO game engine that looks quite promissing which I may use.

Paul-Jan · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:

May I ask what engine? (If you prefer not to shout if off the roofs yet, we could take this discussion into PM and e-mail) I've looked at quite a lot of engines and their features while developing Parnassus, so I am rather interested! Also, what flavor of C++ are you considering using? Visual studio 6/7/.net? GNU?

Jeroen · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:

Ogre I'd say... Wink

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK

In answer to your first question OGRE, I'm not sure how good it is and I haven't really done much comparing, but from what I've seen so far it looks promissing and most inportantly to me, it's free. I need a job.

I'm currently using MS Visual Studio 6, which my uncle Chris got me for my 13th birthday. But I guess soon I'll upgrade to .NET if I'm actualy going to do this thing seriously. And once more we're back to me needing a job.

Paul-Jan · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:

I am not sure you should move on to .net, it is a nice platform for graphical experiments, but for games? Are you sure there is a large enough 'basis' of .net users amongst the gamers out there? I haven't got the .net platform installed on this machine, and I definitely don't plan to do so in the near future.

Speaking about engines, Ogre is nice from an OO perspective, but for games it is not the most convenient choice. Or at least, my opinion is based on the non-shader-enabled version of Ogre (pretty old), so maybe things have changed. Make sure you also check out one or two other free engines, like http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net.

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK

Ok maybe not .NET but I itend to upgrade from v6, it's given me a few troubles of late, although that may have been more because I was working with Win98.

I intend to look around at other engines but at the moment I'm looking at ogre, I'll give it a play with see how I like it, and how it integrates with Newton. Newton is somthing I'm sticking with I'm pleased with what it can do.

Jeroen I'm not giving you any points for guessing that as I don't think there are many OO game engines about Razz

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Daaark · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:

Just remember, that those engines you have brought up are RENDERING Engines, not game engines. You are on the hook for the rest. Confused

Can anyone post some pascal/delphi source? I've never seen any.

Is there even any current compilers?

Jeroen · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject:

khris · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject:

i was about to wonder why this post got so popular so quickly Laughing

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ill jus stay out of the whole code debate as i feel better with the visual side of things rather than the programming Very Happy

Daaark · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:

Chris · Member Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 161 Location: UK

Uoy shouldn't use void for an empty function, you can but you shouldn't Laughing

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After school I may give you my variation on the 'IsVampireCrazy' function.

granada · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:33 am Post subject:

All to much for me,i'le stick to building Very Happy

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Paul-Jan · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:

One of the reasons to use Delphi is the really nice (ok, not really really nice, but basically ok) VCL, which hides most of those aweful win32 calls for you. And for those it doesn't cover, you write your own wrapper classes. Which I, btw, tend to to in other languages as well. What is not as nice about Delphi, is the way the RTL provides for a lot of STL/Boost kinda stuff, but just... not quite as fancy. So you end up programming a lot of basic containers etc yourself. Then again, so do all the C++ programmers I now, so there is not much difference there. What is kinda inconvenient is the lack of templates. If you are a C++ geek, you need to have templates.

Chris, I think the OO aspect of Ogre is slightly overrated. Irrlicht is OO as well, and so are most other engines I have seen (that is, without bursting into tears or laughter, like some engines made me do). Ogre just presents it as 'a big feature', while it is generally considered a natural way of programming things. And frankly, as someone who has ported lots of the basic Ogre concepts into the basic Parnassus framework I wasn't too impressed by the overall quality of the OO design (but don't tell anyone). Maybe my expections were a bit too high.

Paul-Jan · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:59 am Post subject:

The game v.s. rendering engine post Vampyre made is very true, that's alway a tricky one. I haven't seen _any_ good free gaming engine, I think everyone just glues together the rendering, pyshics, ai and sound bits, don't they? At least that enables you to pick your favourite flavours.